Multimedia & Match Thread Panathinaikos (Europa Matchday 6)

Far too narrow in the middle. We really need width to exploit right side. Just SO not wanting to see Dempsey in there anymore. Cannot fathom his value to the side at the moment, and actually, I think he possibly detracts from our strength.

Legitimate goal ruled offside again! Hey ho! Average officiating, nothing spectacular from ref apart from the goal but can't really blame him for that. Just ask him to keep an eye on the play acting from Radu and Lulic especially.

As I say, more width and not so deep!

Let's hope these changes can make a difference and inject some pace into what looks like a tired side with little enthusiasm for a game.

Odd game, we were very comfy for the most part in a fairly pedestrian game and had a good goal (it seemed to me) disallowed but Kozak missed three very good chances and Lloris made some impt saves and darts out as they got in behind our highish line a bit too easily for my liking towards the end. I wasn't very impressed with either side really, though a draw away to Lazio is a good effort, really.

Maybe we will express ourselves more in the later stages...

Their ultras are knuckledragging scum and cowards. I look forward to seeing what Uefa does about them.

I'd rather they were punished.

Yes, but not just Lazio - if the whole of the English FA were banned for 10 years then so too should the whole of the Italian FA. And let's face it, Juventus, AC and Inter, Fiorentina... They have their associated fans who have been equally as violent in the very recent past. The fascism, and thus racism, is rife in Italian football.

If honest, and I wish it had been applied here in England during the 1980's/90's, they are not fans! Fans 'support' a club. Thugs detract from it and are detremental to that club's progress. They have no real association with ANY club but more with violence wherever it can be nurtured. I'm sure, if they felt there would be an interest, the world pipe smoking competition would see backing if thugs could find a decent enough platform and interest.

I meant the club. The cowards involved of course should be given long prison sentences. It seems to be a melange of fascist scum from Roma and Lazio and maybe other clubs' ultras. For shame. Though it really shouldn't be divorced from football and the clubs, even if anti-semitism is the main cause given. The low lifes in the Lazio and Roma ultra groups are the same ones you find in Forza Nuova and other fascist groups. Lazio, for example, and the police, allow all manner of racist paraphanelia and behaviour to go on in and around their ground. The bond between ultra groups and clubs in Italy is generally very strong, or at least club presidents are wary of them and allow them far too much leeway and influence. It's the negative side of fan power.

The Rome clubs and police really should be banned from European football for a good while.

The Italian authorities are complicit in all this. It's not like they had no idea something like this could happen. You've got a main square where there is often trouble (even when there is no football), you've got foreign football supporters of a historically Jewish football club in an area where racism and antisemitism is rife and, yet the Police were over half an hour away...hmmm.

What can you do in countries (I include places like Ukraine in this) where the sentiment of the ruling bodies isn't too far detracted from that of the thugs? Their governments may pay lip service to the issue but, if they felt any real concern over it, they'd attempt to do something about it.

Oh well, I suppose UEFA/FIFA will sternly tell them they've been very naughty and to try and make sure this doesn't happen again. Rather than an outright ban on all Italian clubs until the Italian FA gets their house in order!

I can confirm that ITV 4 will be showing the game and that they have the game listed for 20:05 (8:05pm) kick off!!

http://www.itv.com/sport/football/europa-league/match/tottenham-panathinaikos-3553659/

Going to miss the game! Comatose at the time. Hey ho! Maybe catch highlights some time after.

Looking forward to some big noise tonight from the WHL faithful!!

COYS!!

We're playing well. The ball from Dempsey was typical of him and much like he did at Fulham, he dropped in between Pana's midfield and defense, no-one picked him up (because he's on the left wing on paper) and slid a great ball through to Ade who finished as cool as you like!

A couple of chances for Pana but Friedel has managed to race to the edge of his box on a couple of occasions!

Dawnie, I don't envy you having to watch a stream...I'm very glad this is on ITV4!! (even if it means I can't do updates 'cos the wifey has the pooter)